Comments on: Client data exfiltrated in Advanced NHS cyber attack https://www.digitalhealth.net/2022/10/client-data-exfiltrated-advanced-nhs-cyber-attack/ News | Networks | Intelligence Sat, 05 Nov 2022 10:22:39 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.2 By: Dave Kelsall https://www.digitalhealth.net/2022/10/client-data-exfiltrated-advanced-nhs-cyber-attack/#comment-113351 Sat, 05 Nov 2022 10:22:39 +0000 https://www.digitalhealth.net/?p=143921#comment-113351 In reply to Rob Dyke.

CareNotes was originally developed by a small enterprise down a country lane in NW England. Like so many other SMEs they were swallowed up by a bigger fish.
Was “sweating the assets” an issue here?
It would be interesting to know how far down the Cyber Essentials path Advanced have travelled and how Trusts managed to procure a product which, by Advanced’s own admission via their press statements, appears to have been non-compliant with basic IT security protocols.

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By: Ex NHS Techie https://www.digitalhealth.net/2022/10/client-data-exfiltrated-advanced-nhs-cyber-attack/#comment-113347 Sat, 05 Nov 2022 10:11:40 +0000 https://www.digitalhealth.net/?p=143921#comment-113347 In reply to Blah blah blah.

You nasty little troll. Autism Matters is one of my favourite charities – please don’t sully their name through association with your ignorant and bigoted remarks.
This was a massive failure by a private sector company who have let down thousands of patients, including many service users who are on the spectrum.

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By: Ian https://www.digitalhealth.net/2022/10/client-data-exfiltrated-advanced-nhs-cyber-attack/#comment-111873 Sat, 15 Oct 2022 02:39:16 +0000 https://www.digitalhealth.net/?p=143921#comment-111873 In reply to A supplier.

It was the system supplier /host that was hacked. Not the Nhs. Just another example of the private sector doing things more efficiently (eye roll). Next time you need the Nhs be sure to let the staff know you’d like your claps back. I’m sure they will happily give you a quick round of applause rather than treat you.

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By: Janey https://www.digitalhealth.net/2022/10/client-data-exfiltrated-advanced-nhs-cyber-attack/#comment-111865 Fri, 14 Oct 2022 23:30:49 +0000 https://www.digitalhealth.net/?p=143921#comment-111865 In reply to Not buying it.

It’s not really happening. It’s an excuse for NHS and the care sector to ask for even more funding. They would bleed a well dry if they could.

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By: Blah blah blah https://www.digitalhealth.net/2022/10/client-data-exfiltrated-advanced-nhs-cyber-attack/#comment-111863 Fri, 14 Oct 2022 23:24:15 +0000 https://www.digitalhealth.net/?p=143921#comment-111863 More like an excuse for the NHS to ask for more funding, when they’ve already been getting plenty of funding for years. I don’t feel sorry at all for care workers. A lot of the british public [including me], are regretting clapping for carers. Was a waste of time. Don’t believe the NHS or social care when they say they need more funding. What when the time comes when the government don’t have enough money to keep funding social care anymore? The only true official care charity is called ‘Autism Matters,, and the other one is ‘CarersUK’. I’m absolutely done, mentally exhausted, from hearing about care and the NHS.

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By: A supplier https://www.digitalhealth.net/2022/10/client-data-exfiltrated-advanced-nhs-cyber-attack/#comment-111723 Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:59:54 +0000 https://www.digitalhealth.net/?p=143921#comment-111723 Embarrassing for all of us working in this industry

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By: Rob Dyke https://www.digitalhealth.net/2022/10/client-data-exfiltrated-advanced-nhs-cyber-attack/#comment-111721 Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:13:29 +0000 https://www.digitalhealth.net/?p=143921#comment-111721 Advanced are pushing the delay hard onto NHS Digital (whom have responsibility got cyber security) and NHS England (‘Gold Command’ on this incident) – however Advanced should have been aware of these assurance requirements and have included them in business continuity planning. Have suppliers really learned nothing from Wannacrypt, the HSE IE event, the Copeland incident in 2017? Each of those incidents involved catastrophic destruction of environments. It is staggering that an ‘Advanced’ organisation – one that provides Managed Security Services no less! – has not run complete DR and business continuity tests with its customers and other key stakeholders.

Advanced host a number near-critical national infrastructure in NHS111, and mission critical applications for NHS and Social Care. I’m staggered that 6 years on from the Copeland incident, customers are left without applications because a key supplier was woefully unprepared for a cyber incident of this nature.

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By: Not buying it https://www.digitalhealth.net/2022/10/client-data-exfiltrated-advanced-nhs-cyber-attack/#comment-111719 Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:11:51 +0000 https://www.digitalhealth.net/?p=143921#comment-111719 In reply to Anon.

Given the pressure from the EPRR team to get operating again it seems unlikely that they would have allowed assurance to cause such a delay. Smells a bit fishy.

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By: A lockbit user https://www.digitalhealth.net/2022/10/client-data-exfiltrated-advanced-nhs-cyber-attack/#comment-111709 Thu, 13 Oct 2022 14:53:18 +0000 https://www.digitalhealth.net/?p=143921#comment-111709 Rumours in the market suggest that Advanced paid the ransom – is this true and if so how much was it?

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By: A concerned professional https://www.digitalhealth.net/2022/10/client-data-exfiltrated-advanced-nhs-cyber-attack/#comment-111701 Thu, 13 Oct 2022 14:25:51 +0000 https://www.digitalhealth.net/?p=143921#comment-111701 Wow, a lot to unpack here.

First of all, I feel so sorry for all of the care workers and patients impacted by this. It is now 10 weeks since Advanced noticed the intruders in their system (it sounds like they noticed when the intruders fired off ransomware). The intruders are stated to have been inside Advanced’s infrastructure for at least two days – time enough to extract confidential patient data and download it and move laterally inside the network. Let’s think about that for a second – they connected to Staffplan, a system made available over the public internet – and made their way into what should have been an entirely segregated set of systems connected to HSCN. Wow.

Now let’s think about the return to service of some of these products. Carenotes has required to be rebuilt entirely. A new configuration. Where are the backups? Retrospective clinical records are being imported into the new configuration. Shocking.

Adastra, a clinical system which is often sold with very high availability (99.99% or greater) is still only available to 9 out of every 10 customers.
Staffplan, which is the core to many domiciliary care providers’ services and their ability to help their service users and demonstrate compliance to payers will have a limited Minimum Viable Product only tomorrow.

It is hard to think how the management of this outage could have been poorer.

A service interruption of to these products would have been poor if it had been measured in single digit days. The fall-out and interrupted service delivery will certainly stretch over 100 days and Advanced deserves to lose their entire health and care customer base. And customers of other products in their broad portfolio should take notice too! These systems were once an exemplar for customer service and functionality and now will just be a textbook example of how under-investment and lack of general care will eventually catch up with you.

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